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[JDT]

Hello,

first post here. I have had this site bookmarked for a while but never looked around until now, great site. So decided to join the forums.

Albiet with an alterior motive!! sorry.

I was using the RGB values to input swatches into photoshop and ran into a problem at RLM70, there seems to me to be an offset of the RGB values to the colour swatches on them. RLM74 Dunkelgrau, RGB states 45,60,47 gives me a colour that I think may be for 71 or 72 (ie it's most certainly green/grun), as 70 and 71 are extremely close, hardly visible to the naked eye. Not a problem to swap at this end but does it mean there's one missing?

Sorry if I'm wrong, my bad, but came here to clear up a colour contradiction between sources, and now I'm just more confussed!!

Thank you for any help in advance
JDT

[Serval]

RLM 70 and 71 look pretty close, but I can see difference clearly.
On a monitor differences can look smaller then with real paint. For dark colours the gamma settings of your computer.
But also due to the limitation of digital values colours can look a bit off.
In very rare occasions it happens that two slightly different colours have the same RGB values.

But you did find a mistake in RLM 74 allright. the RGB values do not match the HEX value. But I do not think it was confused with RLM 70 or 71. Both are much darker.
I don't have my books and RAL software available right now. But give the name (Grey, Greenish), I tend to believe that the RGB values are correct and the HEX values is wrong. I just made a mistake with compiling the list.

When I'm home I'll check the colour with the swatches I have and look up the right RGB and HEX values to correct the list.
And since the comparisation with RAL comes from old German sources and the RGB values are calculated using software from RAL itself.
So, the values you get tonight will be correct. The swatches used are based on the latest research which is also used for painting German aircraft for museums for example.
Just remember that RGB values are sightly different for various monitors and printers. Since these lists are meant for skinning, we use settings for an average 'standard' monitor.

Now a little word about differences between sources:
For scale modelling (and thus colours for skinning) almost every colour is translated to the common known American FS595 list.
But... this is an American system from 1970 it contains some 600 colours which are divided in gloss, silk and matt. In all some 250 colurs are left!!!
Easy to understand that not every colour from every country can match exactly. Some are even way off.
This is exactly the case for RLM colours. For some RLM colours you can find 3 or more FS numbers as 'closest' match.
That is the reason why we have chosen to try and find the closest source to translate colours. for RLM that is RAL. another German coloursystem from 1927, which is in use still today. There are German handbooks which list which RAL colours match with RAL colours (some 50% of them, you can find those in the RLM list) and RAL has software to calculate the RGB values for their colours. So, that is where our RLM colours come from. The others are based on the colours as found with the latest research done by professionals in this matter. BTW: those professionals also use the RAL comparisation where possible, since that is the best documented source there is.

At the moment we are working to improve other lists as well.
For British Standard we have original data, so no longer a comparisation with FS595 and the Russian list is also compiled using original data.
So, where possible we use the closest possible source, in all other cases we follow the common translation through the FS595 list.

Anyway, have some 8 hours patience and you'll have the corrected colours.

[Serval]

OK I had a decent look.

For RLM 70 and 71:
The match the swatches in my books closely. Those also look very dark and with very little difference..

The RGB values for RLM 74 were wrong These have to be 78, 81, 87

I hope this answers your question.

[JDT]

Thanks Serval,

The colours I was after are 72 and 73, slap in the middle of those I mentioned, was just worried these were out of sync in the list or something. Glad that the 70/71 thing is okay, damned these TFT monitors, the colour changes with the angle of your head, direction of the wind, the phase of the moon,...!!

Thanks for the 74 fix, will get my RLM swatches finished soon.

Jamie

[Aero_Shodanjo]

...damned these TFT monitors, the colour changes with the angle of your head, direction of the wind, the phase of the moon,...!!

LOL nice one

also, how about: the mood of the day?

[sreeja]

I am also new here.What games are in this forum?I am looking for it?

[Serval]

We are not about specific games.
All/most games work with 3D models that need textures. We are about creating these textures.
We come from the Flightsimming corner (IL-2: Sturmovik especially) but anything about creating textures/skins/repaints (or whatever one calls them) for 3D models will go.
And as you might have seen, quite a few are dedicated to creating profile drawings as well.
I guess we are a bit more of a Computer Graphics site then a game site.

But discussing about a game without texturing involved is allways free in the lounge. You'll notice soon enough if there are more people around who are interested in that game or subject.

We only refrain from political subjects, unless it really touches what we do, like the current discussion about copyrights.