Newbie Looking for Profile Painting Direction

[Simcoe Warrior]

Hi All!

First let me express my amazement at the number of talented people in this forum, I have been lurking and reading the tutorials for months now and learned a great deal.

I am currently working on a profile painting of a 109E and have been so off and on for nearly a year now. I have started over numerours times so far and believe that I am about to do so again with the big picture of what I need to do pretty much in focus.

However there are a question about the order in which I create features in the painting. Specifically in which order should I add the panel lines and rivets? Should this be after the shading has been completed or before?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Matt

[Clint Mitchell]

Hi Simcoe Warrior
Am I correct in thinking that you will be creating this on a computer? If so what software do you have?

[Jesters-Ink]

There are no rules, once you start making the engine noises, you know you are close.

[BLOWHARD]

There are no rules

That's correct, you need to develop a "standard operating procedure." The only way you can do that is on the fly. You could start by copying someone else's layer order but really you need to decide how you want the layers to work and what fits your style of working.
Building a layered file is a personal journey

But, to give you a direct answer, you could do the shading first, or you could do the lines first, or you could develop them simultaneously.

[Simcoe Warrior]

Hi Simcoe Warrior
Am I correct in thinking that you will be creating this on a computer? If so what software do you have?

Hi Clint,

Yes this is being done on a PC and I am using Photoshop CS2 which I have been learning along the way which undoubtedly has stretched out the timeline.

matt

[Simcoe Warrior]

That's correct, you need to develop a "standard operating procedure." The only way you can do that is on the fly. You could start by copying someone else's layer order but really you need to decide how you want the layers to work and what fits your style of working.
Building a layered file is a personal journey

But, to give you a direct answer, you could do the shading first, or you could do the lines first, or you could develop them simultaneously.

So if I am interpreting what you are saying correctly, I should throw caution to the wind here and just go for it and if need be re-order the layers if needed?

[gamary]

Given the fact that your lines and rivets layers should be independant, it should not be a problem if you need to reorganize them.

I keep the panel lines in a group I call "blueprint", which contains the panel lines, rivets, etc. This group is above the weathering but beneath the shading and lighting. That is good for me, but is by no means the best way to do it.

[BLOWHARD]

I should throw caution to the wind

Not really, think of how you want you want do do with each part. Panel lines, for instance; depending on your layer settings and how you plan to use them, they could be about or below your shading...of course depending on your shading and how you've set each layer there too.
As long as you keep things separate for maximum editability, you'll be ok.

Also, what will you need to star? You might want to do your shading using your panel lines, that detail might help decide how and where to put the shadows. You might just want to establish you main shapes, do some of the shading, add your panel lines and then finish your shading. This is more down to how you work and how you feel at the time.
I did the Zeros in a simultaneous way, building things up bit by bit. I did the Halberstadt as an all new line drawing, then shaded and added colors, and then made adjustments and corrections as I needed.
Generally I have the base colors, shading layers, weathering, and details on top of all of those. But the details that are on top of everything are transparent in one way or another so that they show, somewhat, the colors and shading under them.

One thing to keep in mind, and I know those who specialize in drawings might not agree, but the shading and markings can some times point out inaccuracies in your drawing. No drawings are perfect and if you find something just doesn't fit or look right, check the drawings and photo reference.
There were several large problems with my Halberstadt I didn't find until I put some national and personal markings on the profile.
Everything is interconnected

[JasonOne]

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'Till next time guys..

[Otterkins2]

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