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[BLOWHARD]

Hey BLOWHARD perhaps you could help Otter out, shouldn't take too long

hehehehehe, I'd still be working on the 15 years from now

[gamary]

@ Gammy and Jester: You both know I have already done the line work for both the Fw-190 series and the Bf-109 series in their entirety along with the most common add ons for both. They have all been through the acid test and pass muster. All you have to do is research the schemes and make sure you stay inside the lines when you colour. Too simple!

Simple indeed. Except for the fact that any choice of colours for a German aircraft will inevitably lead to arguments and firefights. At least we know you've taken care of the part that can't be debated.

@Jesters: Didn't know you had a crash, but I'm sorry to hear that. I had mine just after Christmas and it wasn't fun either. Fortunately I didn't lose too much data. I have a routine of systematically saving files to an external HD, which helps. It doesn't cover everything (Photoshop brushes or fonts, for example ) but it's a start.

Hope you recover soon.

@J-I

[Otterkins2]

Gammy, Simmers have been over this ground so many times before I'm getting tired of the subject. Luftwaffe colours aren't all that difficult as long as you're in the ballpark. No one can argue with certainty if you are right or wrong. In all probability if the scheme pleases you, it's right. No one can say what kind of conditions the aircraft served under, how the weather affected the paint, what kind of thinners were used, how the paint was applied, if they were official or captured paint stocks or what. That's one thing I love about Luftwaffe aircraft so much...anything is possible (within accepted historical knowledge) on colour schemes. I belive it was Clint who shared an article with me on 109's during the BoB. If you think they were all 70/71 over 65 unders that article will turn you on your head! The ETO was just one example of just how wrong headed people can get. So if people wanna complain about your colour choices...skrew 'em!

[JMSmith]

i thought it was me

[Otterkins2]

Mighta been John. I'm a bit senile ya know. See? It even says so on my caption I'm a "senior" member...so stop bugging me or I'll come over there and have a "senior moment" on your front garden.

[gamary]

You're preaching a believer here, Otter. My attitude towards colour is pretty simple. I pick the colours I like best within the range of historically acceptable values... I'm not looking for THE value, which simply doesn't exist.

My Mirage 2000s are a good example of that. I've sold prints here and there and people often asked me to make them bluer or brighter or greyer. Whatever they want. It's as much about perception as anything else and if they want a lighter/brighter/different colour scheme, it's fine with me. I won't do a pink M2000, but I don't mind changing the colours slightly (even when I disagree with the colours in question).

Problem is that there are so many Experten on colours, and especially in the case of the Luftwaffe. You'd be amazed at the number of people who've outright told me "your colours are crap". I could ask them to prove their point but silence is the best answer IMHO or, as you put it:

So if people wanna complain about your colour choices...skrew 'em!

I'd be interested in a copy of that article on BoB 109 if it's convenient enough.

[Otterkins2]

On the way Gammy.