AAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!

[Otterkins2]

In the examples shown below, the first three emblems are JG1 staffels 1,2 and 3 respectively. Immidiately below that is an emblem I've never seen before....possibly because it's a figment of someone's imagination. It is listed as "Stabgeschwader JG3". Now certainly the shield and axe are a part of the JG3 hierarchy, but the Tazelwurms are most certainly not unless I'm very confused. Anyone care to enlighten me?

[Revolver]

...the Tazelwurms are most certainly not unless I'm very confused. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Hmmm...Tazelwurms...you mean Tatzelwurm out Alpine, also admits as Praatzelwurm, Springwurm, Steinkatze, Stollenwurm, Bei?wurm, in the area of the French Alps as Arassas.

...After the legend the natures between 50 to 200 centimeters long and will live in lugs and caves, which dig themselves them into the rock. Although generally as relatively shy descriptive Tatzelw?rmer are considered also as dangerous and aggressive and are to have resulted humans and animals. It means also, if a Tatzelwurm creeps by sand, becomes the latter glass, which suggests a strong heat development of the organism.

Allegedly Tatzelw?rmer increase not on one of the more usual biological ways, but develop as follows: A cock puts a black egg into a lake, where it is edition-bred by the solar heat. Out of the egg slips a Tatzelwurm, which possibly grows up to a Lindwurm.



( Tatzelwurmbrunnen in Kobern ) Foto from Abrasax

Regards,

R.

[joes1944]

I've seen it too before, I look in what books I have and as soon as I do,,,

[BLOWHARD]

Check the references, Look for single planes in III/JG3 or Stab JG3 with that marking. Combination are found all the time, pilots from one group move to another but use or incorporate their former group emblems. Chances are that's a 1-off deal. My guess it's the group commander or staff officer of JG3 who used to be with JG1.

[BLOWHARD]

OR...is it Stab JG3? You have 1-3 Staffles, what is the Stab JG3? If I were at home I'd have this all worked out!

[Otterkins2]

This is Stab JG1, so it all seems rather odd to me. I have a few pictures of aircraft using these emblems identified from JG3 but I assumed the author had too much schnapps at the time. I'm very confused to say the least, and hoping someone here can explain it. Otherwise I toss the emblem as drunken conjecture. Thanks for the historical lesson on legends Revolver, but that's not what I'm asking for.

[BLOWHARD]

OR...is it Stab JG3?

Oooops, I meant Stab JG1 as you guessed.
Dates and Groups? Maybe it's all about dates and when the different groups were operated? I've never been interested in studying group markings as an absolute, but rather interested in individual plane markings, so I'm no expert.
However, I see a dazzling combination of emblems for JG 1, but from different dates.

Group II./JG 1

In September 1941, Hauptmann Hans von Hahn's I./Jagdgeschwader 3 (JG 3) was transferred from the Eastern front to Germany for rest and re-supply. In November 1941, it was transferred to two airfields in the northern Netherlands. On 15 January 1942, it was re-designated as II./JG 1 in Katwijk, remaining under the command of Hauptmann von Hahn. Initially, the unit consisted of one headquarter flight (Gruppenstab) Stab II./JG 1 and three squadrons (4./JG 1, 5./JG 1 and 6./JG 1).

So, you can see the JG1/JG3 connection. From what I see, the wurm marking is specifically II./JG1 I think the shield from JG3 and the wurms from JG1 make sense.

Due to Luftwaffe's policy of reinforcing units in need by drawing upon other unit's manpower, many units acted as donor units to form or enhance other units. Whenever a new unit was formed from donor unit, the new unit would continue to use the same emblem. Hence when Woldenga's I./JG 1 was incorporated into JG 27, I./JG 1's original emblem became that of III./JG 27. When JG 1 was reformed in 1940, II./JG 1's emblem was the Tatzelwurm, a mythical Norse serpent. This emblem probably had its origins with its parent, JG 3. Several of the squadrons as well as Groups (Gruppen) tended to inherit the emblems of their parent units after moving to JG 1. For each squadron, individual flights (Schw?rme) tended to be color-coded to follow the Finger Four formation. Usually those were "green", "red", "yellow" and "white". Usually the Headquarters Flight for the wing (Geschwaderstab) or for the group (Gruppenstab) carried the green emblem.

Where did I get all this wonderful info? Wikipedia of course (it just has to be true )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdges..._(World_War_2)
Very incestuous

PS, if that's not good enough for ya, I don't know what is!

[Otterkins2]

Since Revolver seems intent on giving us a nature lesson completely off subject....

[AGNT_Matt]

heres a possibility... the RAF was divided into wings by base location etc... what if that crest is a sort of wing crest? the tatzelwurms denoting the unit and the backing denoting the base? just a wild guess or like BH said a pilot moving units and deciding to modify his new unit marking so that he carries with him a piece of his old squadron.... just a few ideas to consider....

[BLOWHARD]

Look at it this way Otter, if this is the biggest of your worries you're way better off than the rest of us