navy spook...again !

[Ugo Crisponi]

Very nice!

[Vacajun]

Oh no! Nose strut is way too thin, countours of bleed ramp not right, etc.

Two thoughts:

How can we argue over the color scheme of a MesserNakajimaBolt 1918 quadrupleplane when we can't even get accurate lines for an F-4?! We gotta do better, especially with super tools like 3D art available.

Second (more serious) I'm still bothered by the difficulty (and apparent member non-use) of the current Gallery interface--soooo many photos there taken with close-up side-view profile details in mind. Our old interface with listings of aircraft type was so much better. Anybody else share my grief? Does anyone even use the Gallery?

[Ugo Crisponi]

Thank You Vacajun. Have to say, Mark Styling made a right job. Check it out with this sample. I am pretty sure he makes extensive use of real photos, (we could discuss a lot about this but that's not the point now) and his radome is surely taken from a picture and matches perfectly with the real one (B or N models doesn't change at all)

[Aircraftprofiles]

I don´t want to get into a discussion of other artists accuracy, especially if they don´t have posted their work in this forum, themselves (which must mean that they are not interested in hear mine or any others oppinion). I´m reluctant to use other artists profiles as reference, since i know (and i certainly do), make mistakes.
I think i might be clsoer to the correct shape with my lastest update. Once i get there, i´ll look into the nose gear thickness.

Ugo: acctually i think the photo is a C or D model (the nose shape is most likely the same on B , C and D models, i have never noticed a difference). I can´t remember ever seeing a navy version with that shape chin radar.

[Ugo Crisponi]

Ugo: acctually i think the photo is a C or D model (the nose shape is most likely the same on B , C and D models, i have never noticed a difference). I can´t remember ever seeing a navy version with that shape chin radar.

That picture is a NAVY Phantom. That means it can't be a C or D. Most likely a B or N model...Radome doesn't change and it give the sape. The "add-ons" are just sensors :-)

[Aircraftprofiles]

Clearly it´s painted like a Navy phantom, but i´m quite sure that this is a museum piece. If you take a look at the chin radar, it have a hump at it´s trailing edge. The ECM equippment used in teh D model was larger than what was used in the C model and therefore this hump was added to D models (not all D-models, though!). take a look at this photo: Photos: McDonnell F-4D Phantom II Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
The B model had a somewhat similar chin pod hump layout, but it looks different from the D-models hump. Some B-model Phantom had the AN/APR-30 RHAW sensor retrofittet. Take alook at this photo: http://www.usscoralsea.net/images/rt71721.jpg

As far as i´m concerned no Navy Phantom had the same ECM equippment as the D-model Phantom, and that leads me to belive that this Phantom on the photo you posted is infact a F-4D painted in Navy colors.

[Ugo Crisponi]

Whatever it was it doesn't change the point that radome position and size on this "D" matches perfectly with the "B" I used as reference from Mark. My point was only this, I mean at first sight your first drawing seemed too stretched, now is better

[Vacajun]

Sorry guys- I should have given the photo of the tail end of the bird which is a B model on display at Oceana NAS. Also here is a J model from the same angle at Pax River Museum (even if the nose gear is going the wrong direction!). Hope these help.

AP-Keep 'em coming buddy!

Joe

[Supah]

100 must have been using thrust reverse to park there

[Vacajun]

A little more info on the photo of the B at Oceana:

It's been repainted several times but is defintely a B and is Bu No. 7920.

See Exhibit: 7920 - McDonnell-Douglas F-4B Phantom II