Error in Colour Swatches German??

[Papa Roach]

I am just preparing a full set of color chart for PSP based on the Colour Swatches at this page.

I found that RLM69 only got 5hex digits, I guess that te correct digits would be 595c4e, where the '5' then is missing??

Plus that RLM 69 exist twice in total different colours?? Dunkelgr?n and Sandgelb (doubted); or it is just not shown as the oter colours with more than one variant.

Can someone have a look th this, before I submit my PSP Colour Chart as a download resource??

Thanks,
Kind regards
Papa Roach

[e-b-o-]

if you're using the colors from this side it should be 595C4E.

[Papa Roach]

if you're using the colors from this side it should be 595C4E.

That is exactly what I mentioned, the post is just an observation to corect it...

Kind regards,
Papa Roach

[Serval]

Thanks for pointing out the error with the numbers.

Option 2 is not an official RLM 69.
BUT some sources mention it (incoorrectly) and we mention it for people looking for that color for whatever reason. That is why we state that it is not a correct RLM number.

[e-b-o-]

you can also take a look at Luftwaffe [LuftArchiv.de - Das Archiv der Deutschen Luftwaffe] 2.WK (../Luftfahrtindustrie/ Der Anstrich) for an alternative set of colors. I actually put them into my photoshop color plates giving the texture artists the choice between the different sets. at least they're working well in the TW (targetware) engine, dunno about the IL2 series...

[Papa Roach]

What about the color codes, are they oke?? I would like to have a clear baseline before I continue with my work, if possible...

Kind regards,
Papa Roach

[Serval]

I based the color information on the book "Luftwaffe Colours 1935-1945".
About 50% of the RLM list has RAL equalivants (you can see that). This information comes from a Paintshop handbook released in 1944. So, official documentation. So, all RAL colors are a 1 on 1 match. All other colors are based on research done since the war.
For translating the RAL colors to RGB values I used official RAL software.
So, that should give the colsest match possible.

What is left on how it looks for you are things like the following factors:
- calibration of your computer
- what type of monitor you use (standard CRT, Trinitron, TFT etc.)
- game engine (often you need to desaturate / darken the color a bit)
- what have you grown to believe to be the right color/taste

A little example on the last point:
Because the Fokker D.XXI in a museum is painted in a scheme where the brown is a bit reddish, a bit like milk chocolate, most people think that is the right color.
Later research based on wreckage learned that the color is much darker and browner, like a pure Chocolate (see my sig).
So, many people who see presentations in this new color, think it is the wrong color.

Another note: Especially scale modellers, and thus also skinners, use modelling sources. These sources allmost allways translate to the Federal Standard. But that is a limited colorlist of some 600 colors devided over matt, silk and gloss. that leaves some 200-250 different colors per gloss variant.
So, those are rarely 1 on 1 matches and in best case a close match.

What that does can you see with the RLM colors that have a RAL match. Look up the FS version in the FS list and see how much they sometimes differ.
Also the Russian colorlist is based on research by Erik Pilawskii and not the common accepted FS match. Take a look at those colors and look up the FS version. See the differences...

Basicly the Generally accepted Federal Standard is very good for many NATO colors and also for many USA colors during WW2. For all other colors I prefer to find better comparisations. For Germany that is RAL for the UK the British Standard. For other countries it often is very hard and thus often a comparisation with FS or RAL is used.

You can read a bit more about how I came to my colors here:
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/page-colorindex.html

Differences in all colorlists come due to developping research and disagreements on which FS color matches a color best. That is why I am really happy with the good research that has been done on the German and Russian colors. Especially because they are available in scalable systems like Munsell.

[Papa Roach]

I would like to thank you guys to help me finding out how complicate and taste related all this is. I will start with the RGB hexcodes at the moment, to have a baseline. But looking at the various pages pointet to at this thread followed by more links at those pages, I discovered its a wide wide field I touched base with.

Thanks again,

Kind regards
Papa Roach

[Snake]

Papa, PSP has a pretty good color picker, when you move your mouse over a particular color it will give you the code at the bottom, I also have a third party color picker if you want it let me know and I will try to e-mail it to you ot put it up on the FTP site .

Hex Color Finder; zip:

http://www.cs-kc.com/stuff/snake/Ski...r%20finder.zip

[Papa Roach]

Thanks Snake,

I manage to download the tool at the link here... if the other one is more useful pls email as proposed??? Many thanks.

Kind regards

Papa Roach